The Rat pics "Now with the names added" 2012 update added

[H20SKE]

Paul Dearmans--contact info---passed to me--another e-mail going out !!

Come on guys--step up and call these people out--they are walking on your right to ride!!! and worse yet--they are locals that KNOW they should not be in there--especiallt since there is a sign just before Longs pass.

paul@rentmerentals.com

Paul

Your rig was spotted up at NF TEANAWAY with pictures and the tracks from your riding group going right into the wilderness--to let you know--We the rest of the snowmobilers do not appreciatte this--trying to help the green tree huggers close more riding area to us law abiding riders is not right---Your info has been put out on 2 different sledding websites---this type of behavior is not being accepted by the other riders anymore !!!

I am one that would like to ride that area as well---but do not because it is agianst the law, plus it is going to affect more than just me--but will cause all of us to lose the right to ride the area around this wilderness --think you can get onboard?? It would be appreciatted by the rest of the riders out there.

Thanks

Paul Walser

[Winter Brew]

So the trucks are not tied to who was being alluded to earlier in the thread? Perhaps some post editing is in order for references to Klim and SLS?

[Twisted Boost]

Originally Posted by ArcticBoy

Thats kinda where I was going with my earlier post.

I better go read this thread..... Not sure where I see anything that was really pointed a finger just wanted the owners of the vehicles to come out and say I MESSED UP and I'm sorry won't ever happen again, "We screwed up" Klim is a supporter of the site and we all should appreciate that.. Thanks Klim!!!!!!!

[OregonGirl]

Originally Posted by Fordman

Ready for the names?

Black Chevy is owned by Karen Porter.... My guess is that she wasn't driving the truck that day...

Chevy Envoy is owned by Marc Grohe

F-350 dually with Camo owned by Noel Kurtz

Chevy extended cab owned by Maxwell Firl

Old Dodge flatbed owned by Paul Dearman.

Just to clarify, IF any of these individuals were SAWS members, I wouldn't disclose that information to the public. BUT....since none of them are, I thought that it was worth pointing it out. Perhaps if they decide to change their ways and do their part in keeping publics lands OPEN for motorized access, then they could also be convinced to sign up for SAWS. Just a thought....

Sometimes I wonder if spending my valuable time volunteering for SAWS is even worth it. Feels like an uphill battle most of the time.

[newtrout]

Some more thoughts that I wanted to make sure were posted over here, too.

Personally, I'm stoked to see the response to this. I don't mean sledders turning other sledders in to the FS, but the fact that so many people are standing up on the right side of this issue. The only action that will help keep our riding areas open is taking responsibility for our own behavior. We are completely taking the wind out of the sails of groups like WMC. If we follow the rules, their entire argument goes out the window (not that it was a valid argument in the first place).

I would encourage everyone not to get carried away with a witch hunt. I think its awesome that these guys have been called out publicly. Everyone should know that they will get the same treatment if they are caught in Wilderness. But let's not take it too far. Pressure from within the snowmobile community is all we need.

On that note, the Cashmere/Wenatchee guys that ride the Teanaway from Scotty and Kings Creek are still hitting the Wilderness. They have a very limited parking area. I would encourage anyone who positively sees them in the Wilderness to give them the same truck and license plate treatment. The skiing community and FS is well aware of their behavior and they continue to collect photo evidence of their trespass against us. These a$$holes think they are riding in there unseen. Cmon, guys.....

Some more pics from Friday:

Their tracks in Headlight Basin


Tracks crossing Headlight Basin and through Stuart Pass

[Cave Bear]

I think a lot of people thought a certain SLS klim dealers name was going to be mentioned and it wasn't,and a few fingers were poited that way.That person has been nothing but helpfull to our group for years.

[RedneckRidgeRider]

I am all for this . You must get pics of there faces also. I will put some questions to some people I know. I think camo duly is someone else than the plate owner. It was not Sean P. but he knows all those rigs and the people who drive them. So SO not the thing to do riding out of bounds. They are all wantobe RICH and think they can get away with anything . Yes anything they can just buy their way in. Its to bad but, I would wait to start naming anyone till you have all proof but video ,trucks,plates, and pics dont lie. This will sure be burning some ears at The Old # 3 where they all go to eat.

[FlyZ28]

What happened to the posts hinting that it was a Klim distributor?

[blindman]

I started the original thread on this. and will take some responsibility on how it went.

myself and many OTHER RIDERS are sick of this chit

I, and many others have started to take a more proactive approach on what we feel is pretty much a... all about me selfish , don't give a phuck about you, riders.

The KLIM comment was made with bad info.....

HOWEVER...........the pms i recieved about that same individual etc made it
****IN EASY to leave it as it was.. read into it as you will!!!

Ride the wilderness anymore and if I or any of us can get the proper evidence ....then YOU will have some property loss!!

beware teanaway and scotty creek etc riders..

[FlyZ28]

I'm all for sending emails to the irresponsible individuals, but before I do, are we positive those email addresses belong to the guilty?